when i first learn ttatt i started telling every one.
ttatt will not help him, it will destroy him.
all his family are jws.
Interesting thread.
I make it a rule of thumb to NEVER mention anything that smells of TTATT. The only time I do, is when someone might say something "controversial", then i try to carry the conversation on and add my own thoughts.
I believe given the right circumstances, anyone can wake up.
just got back from "imitate jehovah" ca and noticed that the theme was never really used at all.
all the talks were about family, preaching and getting along with others in the hall.
they didn't once go over an account of how jehovah acted in the past and how we should imitate that action.
"Imitate Jehovah"..
So you want us to be more like God?
"yes, you got it!"
But, didn't eve get damned for wanting that very thing?
"Imitate Jehovah, Imitate Jehovah, Imitate Jehovah!....Sorry, you were saying what about satan?"
i was at walmart when i seen a disaster survival kit.
then something came to my mind.
remember all the instructions given about having these kits?
I expect nothing less from a doomsday cult. Preparing for doomsday.
Even though we MUST trust in Jehovah, we have to have a survival kit just in case he's on the toilet.
so now that most of us have come to a semi truthful understanding that the witnesses are wrong about evolutionist, there is a certain question that i have always had.
now if you were to ask any jw, they'd recite a complete fallacy from scientist regarding this.
but what is you guys input of this.
Seriously, after all that Science has accomplished in the past few years, people still have the nerve to bash it...
I mean, really?
I think the general consensus when carbon dating is brought up with the JWs, the standard reply is that that the flood must have messed everything up, so it can't be trusted..
Sadly, I've heard that response on more than 1 occasion.
its been a little over 2 years since i left the watchtower.
in that time the magazines have been cut, the birth of jwtv, jw-org.
carts for preaching, removed district overseers, cut assemblies, demand all the money from the congregations, stop construction and layoff bethelites, change the format of the tmschool .
Can't see them getting rid of preaching door to door. It keeps the sheeple busy. Less time to think.
I used to be of the opinion that future changes would take years to implement. Maybe just tweaking things every 6 months or so, so no one really notices. But the way things have gone the past 2 years, it's going to be an interesting next 2 years. This religion has changed a LOT, and in 2 years it could actually be unrecognizable.
do any of you ex-jw's still believe in god?
even with the new rebranding/softening of this religion, i still don't see how people can believe in him.
the god of the old testimate is an angry murderer who approved rapes and slavery and killed thousands of men, women and children.
I believe that if there is a God (or higher being) he is a world away from what is written in the Bible.
Suppose that would make me agnostic?...
there were several families that were visiting my mom today and i was sitting in and just listening to all of them talk..
they started talking about the recent shooting at the university.
and its so easy for them because all they have to say is;.
JWs are probably some of the most apathetic and lazy people I know.
If they had a choice to stand behind a cart and count 5 hours, or cook up a good pot of soup for a soup kitchen and count 5 hours, I would bet the overwhelming majority would choose standing behind a cart.
Apathetic, lazy and Self centred.
The "jehovah will put an end to that soon" shit is just an excuse to do nothing.
been reading for about 2 and a half years, thought i would take the plunge and sign up.. my circumstances... i live in uk, serving as ms. i am fully awake.
i can not leave due to family, so just treating the meetings as a bit of a social club.
i would like to give out more details, but i think you all know the drill.. complete disillusionment and i suppose natural curiosity woke me up.. don't know what else to say right now, just hello, and i hope to get to know some of you guys better.
been reading for about 2 and a half years, thought i would take the plunge and sign up.. my circumstances... i live in uk, serving as ms. i am fully awake.
i can not leave due to family, so just treating the meetings as a bit of a social club.
i would like to give out more details, but i think you all know the drill.. complete disillusionment and i suppose natural curiosity woke me up.. don't know what else to say right now, just hello, and i hope to get to know some of you guys better.
Thanks again for all the welcomes.
As to what woke me up? It's really hard to put my finger on it. I think it was a gradual awakening, but unaware that i was actually waking up. I started reading here because the WT kept on saying not to and how bad apostates are. Wanted to see what the deal was. I would definatly say this site was important to me waking up. Not too sure if it would have happened on it's own otherwise.
Never really liked the idea of living in a paradise earth, the way the ORG portrayed it. the pictures always looked a bit creepy. The idea of living on a peaceful earth on the other hand really does appeal to me (obviously). But I never liked the way JWs would slam any organisation actually making an effort to make the world more peaceful. Never made any sense.
As i mentioned in my opening post, I felt and still do feel a massive sense of disillusionment with the whole thing. Along with not believing any of it anymore.
I have turned into one of those unreliable guys at the hall, where no one really knows if i'll turn up to anything. Not just to meetings and ministry, but in daily life that involves any JWs. I figured it's best to get removed for being unreliable and late (and things like this) as it won't compromise my position with my family.
Sorry for the long post.
been reading for about 2 and a half years, thought i would take the plunge and sign up.. my circumstances... i live in uk, serving as ms. i am fully awake.
i can not leave due to family, so just treating the meetings as a bit of a social club.
i would like to give out more details, but i think you all know the drill.. complete disillusionment and i suppose natural curiosity woke me up.. don't know what else to say right now, just hello, and i hope to get to know some of you guys better.
Thanks for all the welcomes :-)
As for my elders, about half and half. Although I have taken up an unreliable scatty personality (albeit intentionally) the last few years, which lets me get away a lot more than I should in the congregation.
